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Depositing via Bitcoin. Coinbase no longer accepting my debit card and need another option.
Lately I’ve been playing on BetOnline and ACR. When I play I typically will buy bitcoin on coinbase with my debit card, transfer to my wallet and transfer from my Wallet to one of the sites and it takes no longer than 30 minutes. Well today apparently coinbase will no longer accept my debit card to purchase bitcoin. I would just go the ACH route, but the one time I’ve done that it took a week and I’m looking to get my money to my poker account by Sunday so I can play in some of the events. So now that coinbase is out, how can I go about using my debit card for a quick easy deposit via bitcoin to my poker accounts. I’ve been looking through sites/apps all day and either, nothing is as easy as coinbase or I am not very tech savvy (which is most likely the case). Thanks for your help!! Edit: I have tried Binance and Bitstamp. I couldn’t get my verification straight with binance (the site kept changing my address and was unable to change it). I am awaiting verification on bitstamp. Not sure what y’all think of those two routes. Once I am able to purchase I will be sending it to blockchain and then to the sites. Thanks again! Edit 2: Resolved! For anyone having the same issues. I used CoinMama. Was verified within minutes. Deposited using both my debit and credit card (wanted to try both). Funds were sent directly to both my coinbase and blockchain Wallet.
Soon: First of all, I'd like to congratulate everyone here for a successful binance and kucoin listing. It is really you guys who made this happen, and not us. We supported your vision, and without your vision none of this would have been possible. This isn't our first rodeo show, but we realized early on that in the crypto space the community is everything. All of you have proven to the world just how important it is to be transparent, loyal, and what can be done when a community comes together for one common goal. Other than being the first gaming project to IEO, I believe this is the first project in the crypto space to build a product before listing on any exchange. This project was built by the team, but only made successful because you guys stuck to it. Therefore, the teams wants to thank all of you for the support for the past 9 months. The road will only get bumpier, but the potential is now endless. Ivan: When is the 3rd announcement coming? and any clues on what it is? Soon: The third announcement will be coming SOON. I don't have an exact time for it - but we are working on it as we speak. For sure you'll know its the third announcement once its released but let's enjoy the first and second announcement while we can : ) Ivan: when is the sportsbook coming online? Soon: Its more or less complete. Just a few more kinks we are working out. The goal is to have out before the NFL season and the Soccer (yes yes... football) season. So we are hoping to have out in the next couple weeks. We also have events planned : ) Ivan: has anything being done for the abuse of jackpots to stop on 1 v 1 poker tables? Soon: As I mentioned before, we are taking this week to gather feedback for the Poker platform. I know a lot of you compare it to traditional platforms like pokerstars, but we must look at the whole picture. It is nothing like pokerstars to begin with because there is mining a token which has value, there is rakedrops etc. So this is also new to us. For the jackpot we do see a lot of people 1v1 just to try to hit the jackpot - kind of like video poker. But we must also understand that they are also feeding rakedrops pool. One change that we will implement very soon is to have the amount you can win from the jackpot tiered. The cap for the rake, VIP, rakeback, tournaments, Spin and go etc. all of this will be changed and/or added. For more information on the roadmap for poker - Ivan : Next question, and I guess I can ask 2 in 1 for this one, sportsbook will it go 100% to Win, also advertising revenue will that go 100 % into WIN ? Soon: So we actually spent a lot of time thinking about how we should organize the sportsbook. I feel that sportsbook doesn't give users the mining rush, and similar to 1v1 poker right now, some people will be able to mine at no costs. Therefore, right now we have decided to have it go into WINdrops 100%. On average the house edge for Sportsbook is roughly 10% - so this will definitely help the price of WIN + Windrops Advertising will also all fill into WIN - but atm we have not started this. We need to build more content, integrate more partners, increase our viewership - then advertising revenue will be added Binance listing already put the platform in front of millions of viewers - so i hope as a community we can welcome all the new users who know nothing about WINk or TRONbet : ) Ivan: You have listed a lot of the new games like Hypersnakes, when will that launch? also will that feed into another token or into one of the current 3 ? Soon: The team is working on integrating the games as we speak. As you can see there is a lot on our plate right now including sports, updating poker, finding new partners, more e-gaming content, and other more traditional games. We also have to work with these developers to change some of the systems and mechanisms in the games to make it more compatible with drops etc. I think this is where our expertise comes into play, as we have created a whole new business model where wealth is redistributed to those who support it. Given this, some games will feed directly to WIN, some will have its own token and its own pool. It really depends on the product and there is no set rule as to how it works because each game or dapp is different in its underlying mechanics. One thing for sure is that no matter what, a portion of it or all of it will feed to WIN. Therefore, hodling WIN, keeping it frozen for drops over the long-term will give users a decent passive income that they can enjoy for as long as they want. Ivan: Will the new partnerships allow seamless payments from fiat to crypto? and making it easier for the average person to play on WINk? Soon: Yup this is also something we are working on. Fiat to crypto will definitely bring a whole new user base to the platform. But once you deal with fiat there are new regulations that we have to adhere too. We are working on getting through all of these regulations as we speak. Other than fiat, we will be integrating bitcoin, litecoin and other mainstream tokens to bring in new users as well. Ivan: while we are talking about the integration of btc, ltc etc. lots of questions coming in... when are you looking to integrate those into the platform? and how do we as users claims lets say LTC divs ? Soon: We are working on it - but it will take some time. I will update everyone as the time comes closer. but I'm sure all of you will enjoy it when it does happen Ivan: when can we see WIN come on trontrade, so we can directly buy into it, rather then sending trx to binance converting into btc/usdt and then buying win Soon: YUP! We just had a meeting this morning about it. It will be available on both trx.market and trontrade - Most likely will be up and running ready to trade in the next week Ivan: What are your plans for longterm growth (marketing, user grown, etc etc) Soon: I think the whitepaper sums up our plans the best. 2 things that we are working on 1. Lowering the barrier for non-crypto users - such as the fiat integration etc. Currently, the barrier is too high for the average user, and we've been working on a solution. But we also must understand that this requires the whole blockchain industry to grow, and this is also why i despise all these scam projects. Trust in a new technology is very important for adoption, and the more scams the less trust. 2. Partnerships with industry leaders - The binance listing that the community just had, has given gaming and WINk legitimacy, and this legitimacy will allow us to build new partnerships that will also bring in a lot more users. I can't expand too much on these partnerships atm... but let's just say.... when announcement 3 happens... it'll be good Ivan: while we are on that last question, also what is your projected users by End of year? Soon: for most of you who have been here for a while, you know that I hate speculation. and this is also why WIN is soo great, because its not a token for people to speculate on. Yes, there will be those who speculate on it, but it is also the only token that I know of on binance, that brings true measurable value. Given this, I don't want to speculate on users right now, but I think as long as we keep creating these new partnerships, keep building fun products, and keep listening to the community, user growth will come naturally. User growth also depends on each one of you, as word of mouth is the best marketing tool available. Just to name a few... Tommy, Scott, Alexey, and many others have done great to help the platform grow. So I'd like to thank all of you for that. Ivan: Will we be doing a full UI overhaul of the wink site? Soon: Yes we will! We are trying to build more social systems into the platform which will hopefully increase platform retention. Also, the current color scheme and design is still TRONbet, so we will be doing an overhaul to make sure these systems are organized and user-friendly, while rebranding as WINk Ivan: I think we will do one more question, are you planning on having a get together with the team and community members in a central location? Soon: I'd love too... isn't that what ANTE/WINk island is for? I actually had some time last week and was googling how much it'd cost to rent out an island for a night. Depending on the size we are looking at anywhere from 30k - 80k USD. If all of you are interested in getting together and maybe meeting the team someday - we can definitely set it up. No beer though... I can't drink beer.... Ivan: hehehe no beer, but I am sure we can get you on some whiskey lol Thank you SOON for answering a lot of these questions and in great depth too. We Will close the AMA now and open up the chat for discussion again. Soon: sounds good! thank you all again! Time to get back to work! again, congrats on a successful listing, Remember! its only going to get bumpier from here on out! No smooth sailing : ) Endless potential Thank you all, SOON out~!
Is Binance done? Just logged in and can't withdraw
I had some bitcoin from online poker and haven't had to deposit for a while (not so humble brag). When I withdraw I use Coinbase but I had some btc left on Binance and I tried to use it to deposit and it won't let me transfer it?? I've been through this before back in the day with Bter and I was in the bitgrail fiasco. Is binance done too? Seems like when they won't let you take money off they fold up right after. If it ever goes the other way I haven't seen it
Here’s a list of coins that have or will have Lightning Network this year according to the coin’s roadmap. I also outlined some basic stats. I couldn’t find a list of all the Lightning Network coins anywhere, so I decided to create one. Let me know if I’ve missed coins in the comments and I will make an update. Source: Coingecko.com, coinmarketcap.com and specific coin websites sited beneath each coin. Current price and rankings are as of earlier today, 7-16-18. BITCOIN
Purpose: Decentralized Peer to Peer payment
CMC Ranking: 1
Coingecko Ranking: 1
Current Price: $6650
Genesis Date: January 3rd, 2009
Purpose: Similar to Bitcoin, but 84,000,000
CMC Ranking: 6
Coingecko Ranking: 6
Current Price: $82.30
Genesis Date: October 08, 2011
Several exchanges; Coinbase, Abra, Binance, Bittrex, and more
Purpose: Similar to Litecoin, but ASIC Resistant/Fair Mining “People’s Coin”
Purpose: Privacy. Like Bitcoin, but fork of ZCash and Bitcoin. Said to have the most secure privacy features
CMC Ranking: 67
Coingecko.com Ranking: 82
Current Price: 7.91
Genesis Date: March 03, 2018
Exchanges: Currently HITBTC, Tradesatoshi
Purpose: Transferring assets from one holder to another
CMC Ranking: 324
Coingecko.com Ranking: 131
Found: March, 20th 2018
Genesis Date: $0.073665
Exchanges: Cryptobridge, TradeOrge, IDCM
Purpose: similar to bitcoin, said to roll out privacy features
CMC Rank: 34
Coingecko Ranking: 30
Genesis Date: February 08, 2016
Exchanges: Upbit, Bittrex, Poloniex
Other Coins added from comments with Lightning Network pipeline:
From comments: (thank you soldat-iop) CHIPS: • Lightning Network enabled • Microtransactions – used for betting or any other micro-transaction application • Will be used widely in betting platforms within the Komodo Ecosystem • Will be the only currency supported in Komodo Platform’s Pangea Poker • Can be integrated into any other gaming system such as online casinos, betting, or incentivized gaming of any type • Supply: 21,000,000 • Proof of Work phase • 10 second block time • Exchanges: CoinExchange, BarterDEX via atomic swaps. • Wallet: Agama
Relatively new to the market (mid 2017) and it’s been a whirlwind. I’ve learnt so much and always believed in the long term fundamentals. I got immersed in btc in 2015 spent many hours romanticising the ideals but didn’t buy because it wasn’t very usable and the 10k tribe in 2015 seemed pretty far gone on hopium (sigh). Joining crypto was the best, the learning curve was steeper than the 4hrly charts. Fomo fud kyc icos gas mew private key binance etherdelta confirmations hard forks chain gangs Fibonaccia RSI support. I got hungry, really hungry and along the way I’ll admit, I lost sight of the fundamentals - the dream - tbh I’d flip any shill coin I could to make a few sats. I had a 5k positive day which was unbelievable for me at the time. I’ve even worked within a company that unfortunately ico’d in November 2017. At first this was like a dream. And then I had to deal with thousands of people on the way down even though I didn’t join the project until July 2018. The market has been rough on the team, the project, and mostly the investors. PNL yet to be realised. At any rate, I was still hopeful and without the eth revenue I went back to charting and trading and waiting and watching. Relatively successfully and happily. Wash the stink of 2018 off and look ahead. Something about a tight range sideways market gets me on edge. Compounding to that I recently had 20% of my folio shlogged in one foul move by cryptopia hack (moved funds to cryptopia and withdrew on the same day...but they never came through, yikes!) And so I ended up on bitmex - only a month ago - started on the testnet and played low leverage moves. Shorting bitcoin was a dirty feeling. I played the game fine, payed too much fees doing market orders and I exited one of my positions too soon but was up 50%. But the disgusting disgusting manipulation of this currency was never more apparent than on bitmex, 20% wicks just to break peoples souls. I play poker from time to time, but this was like cryptocrack and at least in poker you can look at the person that you are swindling (not online but you know what I mean). Maybe I am being naive or maybe I’m a bit of a fundamentalist but I think I’m actually done. It just seems like every innovation thus far is another way to soak bitcoin out of hodlers. So immersed in the world of margins - I am running on minimal sleep (while the biggest leverage I did was 10% the trollbox etc was mesmerising). But I honestly can see this going one of two ways. 1) the big dogs and market makers wash trade until they can cash out > market slumps. 2) this consumes everything and bull whale/ bear kraken and their minion - rektbot - enslave us while chipping away at our earnings for the privilege to participate in their world finance - kind of what I wanted to avoid in the first place. TLDR: proof of keys! Gently caress all exchanges! and LONG LIVE DOGE!! Respect to all the long hodlers. Keep strong hands don’t buy into the bullshit and you will be alright or it will tank harder but you know like you weren’t selling anyway. Respect to the devs and anyone pushing for the genuine progress of blockchain.
Sent Tether to Bitcoin address by mistake...any options?
Hello, In a moment of carelessness, I mistakenly sent $400 Tether to a Bitcoin address while trying to deposit money onto an online poker website. The deposit completed on their website but I only ended up receiving $.04. I realize that this was my screw up and understand I am more than likely out of the $400. I contacted Binance and they said the withdrawal had confirmed on the blockchain and that I needed to get in touch with the receiving platform. I have been emailing back and forth with the poker client and they have not been much help. They are telling me the amount displayed in the blockchain was for $.04 and that I need to contact Binance support. Is there anything I can do to try to recover these funds or am I out of luck?
A long story and lesson about trusting people and managing expectations
So I'm not sure I'd you guys will enjoy this story or if it will just be removed but I currently need to vent because well this happened. And I've lost alot of faith in people. If you don't feel like reading the whole thing I tried to put a TL;DR in each paragraph. Trading- So to kindof preface the story, I am a young guy that is very interested in all things finance such as investing/trading. Because of this I got involved into the Foreign Exchange market(Forex) at the beginning of 2016 and I got very lucky going from $200 to ~$15,000 in 6 months and then unluckily went from ~$15,000 to $0 in less than a minute. So while I was trading this I still worked my normal job(military) and at this job people knew I was trading and doing quite well, they'd frequently ask where I'm at with my trading. So when I lost everything I still thought I will trade again but I'll wait until the new year of 2017. -TL;DR- 2016- Young, like finance, made alot of money, lost all of it and plan to try again. First half of 2017- So during my trading in 2016 I had offered to alot of people at work that I would teach them or show them how to trade. At the time I really just wanted to have someone at work to talk about trading because all I really had was Reddit for Forex talk. So in 2017 I start up again and one of the Civilians I work with decides he wants to join me in trading (most military jobs have civilian slots where they do basically the same thing but get paid 2-3x more, in this case retired mil now civilian). So I help him get setup very excitedly because I finally have someone to talk about trading with he also says he will put in ~$200 to start with as well. So I think oh awesome I can teach you better since our accounts will be the same, so I trade by myself talking to let's call him Civ about trading consistently for about 3-4 weeks. One day suddenly Civ says "hey I put money into my account what are we trading today?" So obviously I'm like "awesome today I'm gonna trade this pair and I think it's a good setup" Civ says OK I put a trade in. So I go about my day and I don't see him until around the end of the day and our trade did go well, I had made about $45 on my at the time $130 account so I'm pretty happy at this point. So I see Civ and he's like super happy and this was our conversation Civ- "wow that was a good trade man" Me-"Yeah pretty good return for a day" Civ- "So how much did you make today?" Me- "I made $45 so like 40ish% pretty sweet" Civ- "man I made a little over $70,000" yes that is $70,000 Me- "....What the fuck? But how?" Civ- "well I kindof put in close to $75,000!" Me- "but even if you scaled up how did you make almost 100%?" Civ- "well I kindof just put in a trade as if I had $200,000 in the account, and then I did another one" So at this point I'm just completely blown away that he just made double what I make in a year in under 8 hours, but after the complete shock and awe wears off I'm legitimately happy for him because I helped in the trade but it definitely made my $45 feel like nothing. So to speed this story up what I just said above actually happens about 3 more times to the point where he makes over $140,000 thanks to the trades that I let him know about. But eventually I start to seriously resent him cause his true character starts to show in a series of events. First he starts to claim the trades were all his idea never even giving me credit, second he never even thanks me for helping him make 4 times as much as I get a year. Third he Basicly tries to rub it in my face a few times throughout this mess saying things like "you should put more money in so you can make more" or "just put half you paycheck in" which is pretty much impossible considering I'm a young E3 at the time and I don't have just money to blow. And fourth he tries to throw me under the bus multiple times for things I didn't do at work. Now here comes in Dirtbags 1 and 2 these two are the worst enlisted personnel I've ever seen but are basically protected by Civ he always stands up for them to higher ups and keeps them from getting in trouble by blaming others for there mistakes and they know this(They will be important later on). There is alot of icing on the cake as far as these 3 but I'm not gonna make this story any longer than it has to be. TL;DR- Help Civ make shitloads of money, Civ shits on me and starts a Sortof witch hunt after me, no longer trade with Civ. Civ in a nutshell- now this Summary of who Civ is isn't really important to the story(skip if ud like) but I felt a need to explain this guy so that people have an understanding of who I'm dealing with. Civ is Basicly a true narcissist he encompasses every meaning of the word. At work he chooses favourites and actively tries to ruin the careers of everyone that isn't his favourite and he's one of those people that laughs about everything he says, he does this so that he can decide based on your reaction if he wants it to be a joke or be serious since every "joke" is in a somewhat demeaning tone. He knows nothing about saving or investing in fact he actually gambles everyday via online poker or fantasy football, during football season hes openly said he gambles over $500 a day since he "wins quite frequently". He's a 45 year old man with a family and kids but he expects invites too all the house parties that people at work have and if he doesn't he has a legitimate hissy fit where I've seen him actually curse people out about how he will no longer invite anyone else to do anything with him(he doesn't do anything tho). He tries to be the guy at work thats "just so cool you gotta be friends with him" but there's a few of us who see straight through his lies and BS. TL;DR- Civ=Narcissistic man child with a gambling problem. Second half of 2017- So I no longer really talk to Civ we talk work related stuff here and there at this point I know he's very two faced and selfish so I avoid him because I can see straight through it. In around July we have a conversation about the up and coming Crypto currencies I tell him I don't really have any idea how to judge if they will keep going up or not. Supposedly Civ buys 0.30-0.40 a Bitcoin(BTC) not sure the price he got it at. Around this time he was pestering me for trades everyday which at this point I'd lost what I put in so I was no longer trading. But when I'd tell him that he took it personally kindof as if I owe him more trades(wtf right?) So I just basically ignore his asshole tones and go about my day. Around this time Civ gets out of Forex he tells me he withdrew over $240,000. Also tells me he never told his wife he made anything and that she thinks he only has like $2,000 in the account(more signs of a gambling addiction). FAST FORWARD to about 2-3 weeks ago- At this point I really don't care about Civ being ungrateful of all the money I've made him and in my life im getting hardcore into crypto currencies. I see BTC hit an insane high of over $18,000 and I see Civ the next day and ask about the BTC he bought he says he's still got it not paying attention to BTC at all tho so I tell him about it and how it could be a time to get out and get into something else so he says OK and that he will look into it. Next day Civ says hey I got out what should I do with it I want to keep it in Crypto, so I tell him about Litecoin and how it's cheaper and promising so he buys 55 Litecoin. (Why am I still helping this guy right? I have no idea) FAST FORWARD to this week- Litecoin explodes to $335 a coin when Civ got in at $90 a coin so he makes about $18,000. I'm pretty happy for him because I called another good investment even tho my little $350 crypto account hardly moved, at this point I don't expect anything from Civ because I expect he's still two faced. This time I actually show him the Litecoin price at work and he's super happy and actually thanks me so I'm like wow that's surprising. But then proceeds to tell co-worker's that he did this on his own (of course). Civ then asks me what he should do now. So at this point I just think well whatever I'm used to this and I'm never getting anything out of this so what's one last investment that I give him gonna hurt right? So I tell Civ about other altcoins on Binance.com and how he needs to get a Binance account to get to them instead of his Currently Coinbase account so he is like okay cool. NOW IT GETS FUCKING INTERESTING- so I tell Civ to get a Binance account and what Coins could be big here soon and he says he will make an account. Remember that Binance has a referral system going on and so I look into it and see that Binance would give me 50% OF WHAT HE DEPOSITS AS A REFERRAL REWARD AND IM FINALLY GONNA GET SOME SORT OF REWARD FOR ALL THE MONEY I'VE HELPED HIM MAKE AND IT WON'T COST HIM ANYTHING. It hits me like a freight train that if he uses my referral code I can get potentially $8,000 into my little coin account. I start to get excited BUT then remember who I'm dealing with so first I sent him my referral code and he says "cool no problem" then I start to think shit what if he forgets to put the code in so I text him again but this time IFU by saying "Hey if you have any questions let me know just don't forget to put in my Referral code cause I get free BTC lol" .....TIFU by showing a narcissist how to fuck someone over....AGAIN. So on the Binance referral page it shows you the first few letters of the person's email that used the referral and how much commission you have made from said person. Civ says he's going to make an account on Binance that night I say OK cool. That night my referral page gets one attached email that doesn't have letters I'm expecting so I'm kindof confused then I remember Civ is a 45 year old Neckbeard gamer so he likely had a wierd email address. No big deal, I see Civ next day at work and ask him how his account setup went (usually takes a few days) he says great and that DIRTBAG #2 also wants to get into crypto so he gave DB2 my referral code. .... Wait a minute the email attached to my account was actually DB2s because the first letters are his Initials of his name no doubt about it. But I don't think this is wierd at the time I carry on through out my week. UNTIL TODAY(Yes an actual TIFU) I see Civ at work (this is three days after he was supposed to setup his account and it still hasn't popped up on my referral list) and he says "I'm actually gonna not put money in to anything without doing research" this to me is wierd because for the last year he's made over $155,000 by literally doing no research and just listening to me. So I say cool whatever good idea. Meanwhile I'm also weirded out by how DB2 has not talked to me about crypto at all since using my referral code and he's been in this extremely happy mood lately so I'm like wtf is going on? Since I had taught DB2 Forex less than a year ago and he had the IQ of a house fly this strikes me as extremely odd compared to when I taught him last he wouldn't stop asking questions. BUT THEN IT HIT ME today when I got home I checked my referrals again because I was still pretty excited for $8,000 and how much it will help me and my wife with Christmas this year and then seeing that he hasn't popped up on the referral list it dawned on me. When I exposed that I would get free BTC to Civ he took it upon himself to have DB2 create an account on Binance and use my referral code so that I would think this was Civ meanwhile Civ put in DB2s referral code giving DB2 $8,000 and then he proceeds to lie to me. Going into investigative mode after calming down from an absolute rage I text DB2 knowing he literally knows Zero about crypto and my hypothesis being very very plausible I go to the weakest link directly and that's the low IQ DB2 and I start to talk to him about crypto first he says he has a Binance account with a bit of coins so I ask him what's next and he tells me he needs to get a coinbase account...... Which is Basicly the only way to put money into crypto so I ask him how he put money in before if he wasn't using coinbase and he says "I think it was Coinable.com" So I continue the conversation about crypto trying to get more of a clue of what Coins he owns he of course lists the exact list I gave Civ earlier that week . At this point I'm about 98% sure my hypothesis is correct and that I work with two of the most narcissistic people I've ever met. BUT THEN I get confirmation in the form of DB2 Being so clueless about crypto because he explains that he has "about 0.23 of BTC" which is roughly $4,000 which I know DB2 Does not have due to the fact that he recently totaled his 4th car this year. So Civ had DB2 create an account on Binance in order to give DB2 $8,000 in free money and to avoid giving me a single dime even tho I'm the one that's helped him make over $155,000 this year and then continues to lie to me thinking that I'm to stupid to figure this out. This is the single most fucked up thing I've ever personally seen happen to someone, and of course that someone is myself. Also to clarify the $8,000 does not come out of Civs pocket it comes out of Binances pocket as a thank you to getting people on their site so literally wouldn't cost Civ a dime. TL;DR(FULL) I help a narcissistic piece of shit make over $155,000 in a year and he avoids giving me anything in return at all at all costs. Now myself personally I made the mistake of putting myself in Civs shoes, you have a 21 year old guy at work that helps you make over a years salary and so I thought oh I'd totally being super appreciative and buy him lunch or maybe dgive him less than 1% of what he just earned you but this is where I really fucked up. In starting to put myself in his shoes I started to just completely resent Civ and everything about him because I started to feel like I deserve something. In the Forex community there are people who will trade your money for you or give you signals and those people can make lots of money either % returns of each trade or $ amounts for each signal. Looking back I shouldof come up with a Sortof contract after that first trade with Civ but at the time I didn't know what kindof person he really was. I'm posting it here because it's kindof a lesson I've now learned on not to trust people to be decent to you in return when it comes to investing/trading I've learned that as you guys have probably seen or know about how certain people get extremely inflated ego when it comes to trading/investing. And if your ever in a situation where you could make someone alot of money just do yourself a favour and draft a small document of how that person should give you about 10% of what they make. That alone should tell you what you need to know about the person is how they react to signing a contract like that. Take it from a practically broke Enlisted member who just made a well off guy way more cushioned.
Bots and talk of bots is endemic within the crypto space, with behavior, good and bad, often attributed to their actions. Mt Gox famously had the Willy Bot manipulating merrily, perennial bear Bitfinexed sees bots everywhere, and crypto traders are prone to boasting about the sick returns they’ve raked in from their proprietary arb bots. There’s no doubt that bot activity is very real. But is it profitable? Got Bots? In the 1950s, robots were promised that would soon eliminate the daily chores of housewives across the globe. 60 years later, and their cyber counterparts – bots – are promised that will do the same for crypto traders. If the hype is to be believed, these bundles of code can deliver a passive income for even the laziest or dumbest of traders. But as almost everyone knows, the hype is never to be believed. Profiting from bots isn’t that simple or easy. There are several types of trading bots available including arbitrage (arb) bots that capitalize on the difference in prices across exchanges. The price of bitcoin usually differs from exchange to exchange; Bitstamp, for example, typically displays a slightly lower price than Bittrex. The movements of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies is always mirrored across exchanges, however, so if BTC breaks out due to a massive buy order on Binance, you can bet that the other exchanges will follow suit. Bots work by profiting from the delay it takes for prices to update across all exchanges. How Profitable Are Bots? To make any sort of tangible profit from bot trading, you ideally need a stack of crypto to start with. If you’re running a bitcoin arb bot, for example, you’ll need BTC deposited on multiple exchanges that are connected to your bot via API. And even if you do have a healthy spread of coins, the returns can be slight. Romano – Viacoin developer and well-known crypto trader – claims the Hass bot he uses can make “0.26 BTC ($2K) a day by using 9 BTC for example just by using market inefficiencies” before adding that he doesn’t use the market maker bot that comes with Hass and cautioning that it’s “only for skilled traders”. Arb trading can be likened to playing online poker. If you’re good at setting up your bots, you can make a living off it, but you’ve got to grind it out. Crypto trading bots are reminiscent of those money-making Forex programs that you find “veteran traders” trying to flog. If those Forex guys are as rich and successful as they profess to be, wouldn’t they be better served keeping that esoteric knowledge to themselves rather than offloading it to the masses for $100 a month? In other words, beware of geeks bearing bots. Examples of Trading Bots A slew of tokenized projects has emerged that promise “algorithmically-based smarter trading delivered via AI and machine learning” or words to that effect. These systems also utilize bots, but their claims of profitability have yet to be proven. If one of these new platforms were to deliver the goods and provide consistently high returns, crypto traders would flock to it, which simply hasn’t happened. There is no doubt that machine learning has the potential to yield more profitable trading, but there is also no doubt that a lot of the claims attributed to AI should be filed under As If. These are the most popular crypto bots on the market (and should only be tried at your own risk):
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